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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    The idea of the government buying all of the power companies is one that can be greatly reduced and changed as well.

    Sanders's proposal for M4A is more extensive than any other nation. Which is fine and eliminates some of the problems with it. It also makes it harder to pass.
     
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    Why do you come here and post if you don't care?

    Why do you respond to everything if you don't care?

    It's very obvious you care about everything in the D&D and the Garm.
     
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    It's the greatest mystery in world that many can't understand the difference.
     
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    I'm very proud to say I voted for Bernie Sanders today.

    Reminder: early voting in Texas ends tomorrow February 28th. Please go out and cast your vote.
     
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  7. Roxfreak724

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    Proud to have voted for the only US Presidential Candidate that has unequivocally called out and condemned the Anti-Muslim riots taking place in India as well as being the only candidate to correctly identify the bogus claims of election fraud and the subsequent coup that took place in Bolivia (which was just now confirmed by Washington Post) . Bernie's foreign policy is enormously underrated on this board.
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    Is it me or is this article dishonest?

    The article states that in Denmark, the tax rate of 55.19% is applied to anyone who makes 1.3x of Denmark's national average.

    Then it tries to use the same logic in the US saying that 1.3x of US national average (anyone making $65k and over) would have a tax rate of 55.19% under Bernie's regime.

    Why is this same logic used when it clearly states Bernie's plan for marginal tax rates on his website is totally different than Denmark's? Fear mongering? This is the kind of **** that makes me want to vote for Bernie.
     
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    From that article:

    It is true that these countries have a generous safety net and, in order to fund it, high taxes. What is not often pointed out, however, is that in order to raise enough revenue, these taxes fall disproportionately on the poor, middle and upper middle class. Denmark has one of the highest top income tax rates in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, 55.9 percent, but that rate is applied to anyone making 1.3 times the average national income. In the United States, this would mean that any income above $65,000 would be taxed at the rate of 55.9 percent. In fact, the highest tax rate in the United States, 43 percent, applies to income that is 9.3 times the national average, which means that only those with incomes over approximately $500,000 pay this rate.

    The biggest hit to the poor and middle classes in Northern Europe comes because they, like everyone, pay a national sales tax (value-added tax) of about 25 percent. These countries raise more than 20 percent of their taxes this way. In the United States, the average sales tax rate is 6.6 percent and accounts for only 8 percent of tax revenue.

    One final statistic: A 2008 OECD report found that the top 10 percent in the United States pay 45 percent of all income taxes, while the top 10 percent in Denmark pay 26 percent and in Sweden 27 percent. Among wealthy countries, the average is 32 percent. The basic point is worth underlining because the American left seems largely unaware of it, and it has only become more true over the past decade: The United States has a significantly more progressive tax code than Europe, and its top 10 percent pays a vastly greater share of the country’s taxes than their European counterparts.

    In other words, bringing the economic system of Denmark, Sweden and Norway to the United States would mean embracing more flexible labor markets, light regulations and a deeper commitment to free trade. It would mean a more generous set of social benefits — to be paid for by taxes on the middle class and poor. If Sanders embraced all that, it would be radical indeed.
     
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    Bernie being up in Ohio vs Trump in a head to head at this stage is quite interesting.

    Being tied or even slightly down in Wisconsin should be quite alarming. Given his brand, he really cannot afford to lose Wisconsin given how risky he is in states like AZ, NC, FL.




    Keep in mind that three things will happen if Bernie wins the nomination though:

    -Bernie will possible make a shift to soften his stances for the swing voter
    -VP pick could be a very popular person that helps unify party
    -Media could start covering the vs Trump contrast more which could help with more favorable coverage

    Then the Trump media dump truck unloads negative ads and we’ll see how the polling looks then. So really we know nothing at this point but still interesting.
     
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    I'm reading the article and what I think Zakaria means is that the US national average income isn't that high as if 1.3 times the average income is $65 K then the national average is only $50 K. Most politicians don't use a figure of $65 or $50K as rich. Usually the figure heard is an income of $200K.

    For the record according to to US News in 2016 Denmark's average income was $43K. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes
     
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    I personally don't think any of these polls are worth much right now. No matter who is the Democratic nominee this race will tighten. I wouldn't start paying much attention to polls until after the conventions.
     
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    Bro, I appreciate your explanation but i think you missed the point of my post... I wasnt arguing what the national average was. The author was implying that the tax rate would be 55% under Bernie at that salary range which is simply untrue. The 55% would kick in for people who make over $10 million.
     
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    Very true, but the media coverage of Bernie has been pretty negative the past week or so given the shock/disappointment everyone in the media has at his looking like he’s actually going to secure the nomination. So it’s interesting to see his polling this week for context.

    But your right though that we should probably assume that in November the polls will look more similar to Hillary/Trump Nov 16 than they do now when there’s a “come home” affect with traditional Republican voters.

    What makes Trump so unpredictable is how unpopular he is publicly vs how people actually like him in private. We see it here daily with the “i didn’t vote for him but...” crowd.

    Regardless of polling now we all should assume the election will be super close. Bernie better garnish a turnout machine because right now Trump has a major advantage in his arsenal of money and data folks who are getting every redneck in the country registered and mobilized.
     
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    vir·tue sig·nal·ing
    noun
    1. the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
     
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    Fans rip Garth Brooks for Barry Sanders jersey, thinking it was for Bernie Sanders

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    Brian Manzullo Detroit Free Press

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    Garth Brooks showed Detroit love in a lot of ways last weekend when he stopped by Ford Field and performed a high-energy concert in front of 70,000-plus.

    One of those ways was with what he was wearing: A Barry Sanders No. 20 jersey, in tribute to the legendary Detroit Lions running back and fellow Oklahoma State University alum.

    But Sanders played a generation ago.

    And this happens to be an election season.

    And there happens to be a man named Bernie Sanders among the Democratic candidates for president.

    And it also happens to be 2020.

    So you can imagine the sort of confusion that took place when Brooks posted a photo on his official Instagram account of himself, back turned toward the camera, with "Sanders" and "20" on the back of his jersey.

    While just about everybody in Michigan knows what the "Sanders 20" jersey represents, not everyone outside the state knows about or remembers Sanders' greatness on the football field.

    That led to comments like these on Brooks' Instagram post:

    • "Love you, hate the shirt. Trump2020"

    • "Weird. That a millionaire would like a socialist. Hey Garth are you going to distribute your millions?"

    • "Sanders? Really? So out of touch!"

    • "YESSSSSSSSSS, SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT, YOU THE BEST GARTH."

    • "Sanders?? Don't care about your politics. Love your music. Let's keep politics and your entertainment separate."

    • "What are saying? Your a Communist or a Socialist. Either way your a loser. ❄️ Just threw out your cd "

    • "I had no idea you were a big freaking liberal socialist! I've listened to your songs for the last time!"

    Yes, these comments are real. A public Facebook post on the confusion from two days ago has gone viral, with more than 11,000 shares as of Friday morning.

    Fortunately, other commenters were quick to jump in and clear the air on Brooks' post. Some even had fun with the drama taking place:

    • "SANDERS? FOR REAL? How much did KFC pay you to wear this? Keep fast food out of your music. KFC wants chicken for all. Show me a country that has succeeded with a chicken for all policy. #popeyes2020"

    Barry Sanders later responded on Twitter.

    Continued here . . .

     
  18. jiggyfly

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    Is this from the onion?

    Nope just the state of are country in 20/20

    SMDH.
     
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    for·eign pol·i·cy
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    noun: foreign policy; plural noun: foreign policies
    1. a government's strategy in dealing with other nations.

    Since none of the candidates are currently diplomats or secretaries of states, their responses to immediate international crises are critical to understanding to how they would potentially react to these issues if they were President.
     
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  20. The Real Shady

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    The now likely possibility of Bernie winning the election is more damaging on the stock market than the Corona virus. Scary times.
     

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