The Astros did not gut their farm system for Greinke. Bukauskas has been a disaster. Josh Rojas is an interesting player, but he wasn't even a prospect coming into this season and is already 25 years old. Corbin Martin was mediocre when up this season and is out with surgery. The best player the Astros gave up was Seth Beer, who is limited to 1st base and his bat has been good and not great. They mostly dealt their depth, they kept their best minor league prospects.
They traded four of their, by consensus, 10-best prospects. So... if the '20 and '21 drafts produce a slew of busts and are generally considered weak drafts, the trade looks ok?... Depth. Is. Important. Just look at the # of band-aids they've had to apply to their rotation this year - 14 different pitchers have made starts this year. And their rotation is almost certainly going to be worse next year. I mean... I know you know this - it's pretty elementary. Tell us why the Tunsil trade was an overpay and then replace "Texans" with "Astros" and there won't be a significant difference. They'll (Astros) be fine. But lack of even average depth is necessary in any farm system and the Astros have made big dents in that.
Given his impressive stats thus far, would it be crazy to think that Bill O'Brien would deal Mercilus plus 2nd and 3rds for Ramsey?
Mack was DPOY. No way Tunsil is the best at his position, much less anywhere near best offensive player in the league. They aren't remotely in the same orbit. Relying on draft pedigree four years into an NFL career to "prove" how awesome he is a flawed metric. Barkaveous Mingo had a better draft "pedigree" than JJ Watt. Should we therefore value them equally based on how they were evaluated a 6 or 7 years ago? They dynamics of player development and salary management are so ridiculously dissimilar that it is like comparing apples and the moons of Saturn. NBA is much closer to the NFL, but still in the NBA teams pass around end of the first round draft picks like ramen noodles in prison. In the NFL their value is completely different. Hit rate on minor league baseball prospects, even top prospects, is a fraction of what they are in the NFL. If the NFL drafted high school kids and held on to them through their college careers for 4 or 5 years, you might have more of a point. Additionally the teams are in very different positions. The Astros trade took them from one of the two or three best teams in the league to the odds on favorite. The Texans secondary is Swiss cheese. They were middle upper class before, and are middle upper class after. Nobody rational would short list the Texans as Super Bowl champs, before or after.
Did.... you read what I posted? "Agreed; there's really no comp to this - maybe Kalil Mack - who was better than Tunsil but matches him in pedigree, youth and cost." They were both young, cost-controlled, former high draft picks - neither of which had busted. Those type of players being traded in a non-bust situation are rare enough that it's really the only remotely similar comp. .... Who is doing this, exactly?........ I'm trying to find a former highly-rated. highly-drafted prospect who doesn't suck that was traded during his rookie contract. It doesn't happen very often. It wasn't meant to be a 1:1 comparison; just an illustration that the Astros aren't immune to bad decisions and/or overpaying. They paid an extremely high price for Greinke; one that could very well have a longer-term impact as they start to fill-in around their expensive core. It's relative. The Texans were 11-5 last year; the addition of Tunsil (and Stills) makes them better. I don't really care about which teams fans think are/are not Super Bowl contenders because it doesn't really matter. The postseason is a different animal and anything can happen. Would you rather the Texans play a playoff game with or without Tunsil & Stills?
Did Brown cost the Patriots draft picks? Did Brown even cost the Patriots anything on the cap? No... nothing guaranteed. It was a low risk move. The Patriots tend to make moves like that.
They do. They employ one of the greatest coaches in the history of professional sports and the greatest QB who ever played the game, which makes it much easier for them to buy low and take risks because they can easily absorb the mistakes. But I think it's unfair for that to be the standard for the Texans'... or really anybody else. And, while the cost is minimal, it is nonetheless proof that even *that* team makes very bad decisions. The Texans' haven't cornered the market on it by any means.
Dude... I'm right here - you're welcome to engage me directly. Fans hyper-focus on their teams and sometimes fail to see a bigger picture (like, for instance, how many other NFL HCs have some of the same shortcomings as BO'B - I hope everyone saw the Browns' HC calling a draw on 4th and 9 last night....). The trade of Tunsil *is* undoubtedly an overpay but the Texans have by no means corned the market on good decisions that have consequences. Dealing four of your 10 best prospects will have rolling ramifications as you try to figure out: 1) how to replace Cole; 2) how to replace Miley; 3) how to pay or replace Springer; 4) how to pay or replace Correa; 5) how to potentially carry several more years of Gurriel's and/or Reddick's salary..... And that's assuming the deal pays off. If Greinke is bad in the postseason and this team falls short of expectations... Not to mention, the Greinke trade essentially ended any hope you could resign Cole so the ramifications of it are pretty deep and wide. And we all think the Astros are a model organization that we trust explicitly. But that Greinke deal......
I don’t think Jacksonville would trade such a talent to a division rival even if said division rival had the draft capital to offer, but Jonathon Joseph is a liability that needs to be replaced: Most Yards Allowed in Coverage [All Cornerbacks, 2019] 1. Marshon Lattimore (334) 2. DeAndre Baker (296) 3. Janoris Jenkins (287) 4. Johnathan Joseph (279) 5. Vernon Hargreaves (236)
I still don't think a Ramsey upgrade means all that much if the line can't get consistent pressure when bringing more men. If there ever was a metric measuring this, I'd venture to say the Texans have led the league the last 2-3 years of both allowing pressure facing a BASE defense, while not getting pressure while BLITZING.
