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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    @Rocketman1981 Good thing racism is a thing of the past. The best and the brightest. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and many other favorite Republican slogans.
     
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    Yeah Black people need Government forced handouts rather than hard work and intelligence to prove they belong in Harvard.

    Wait, what did the tweet say again?
     
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    I've never heard a republican say that... actually conservatives give more to charity sooooo maybe they aren't all the dicks like you make them out to be.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Is it wrong to give admission preference to legacy, donor, employee, and athlete kids? Why does Harvard have to be meritocratic? And, why are athletes even in that list when athletes actually do gain entry on their own merit?
     
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    Harvard is a conduit to corporate and political power in America so merit should matter. Honestly it's weird that you'd need to ask the question. Instead of pitting the have nots against each other, let's allow the haves to earn it like everyone else.
     
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    Subtract churches and see how that comes out
     
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    Was just about to say that. Plus the fact that billionaires and millionaires who have to dispose of income to avoid tax thresholds tend to be Republican. Which dramatically skews the per person stat.

    Then there is overall philosophy. Dems believe in taxation to fund our infrastructure. Dems understand debits and credits of taxation. Hence- we all get taxed 200 dollars a month per person for healthcare but my employer plan is 350 per person a month now. So we all are covered as a right and because the pot is so big, costs go down. Same with education, social security, etc. there’s is a philosophy of the shared pot divided for certain basic rights.

    Republicans have a completely separate philosophy of community and rights. I work hard, God blesses me, and I do what I can to help others (assuming you go to church and are a good person). But in the end, there’s a lot of reliance on God taking care of the world instead of social infrastructure. And a downfall of that philosophy is the notion that if God hasn’t blessed you, you probably don’t have God in your life.
     
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    I can see the point that there's a considerable amount of grease in the endowment engine, but it's a self selecting view that ignores the legacy of corruption and back dealing needed to get there in the first place.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    Some athletes play real sports. Others do crew.

    Harvard advertises themselves as meritocratic in the admissions market.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    I understand the problem with this self-perpetuating incumbency power that Harvard and other elite schools have. It is in their self-interest, though, to serve their big stakeholders -- donors, alums, and employees. These groups commit their money and talent and loyalty to the institution and help it to be the elite school that it is, and want a little consideration and reciprocation. And it is a private institution. Is the point just to point out that their graduates might not have come in as all the very very smartest kids in the country? Well ok.
     
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    Churches often provide lots of tangible benefits for communities from providing affordable early education, day care, hosting Boy Scouts, AA meetings, providing food pantries, marital counseling and other types of social services.... not to mention most churches preach a relatively good message.

    Your snarky reply implies it all goes to non-worthwhile endeavors, which of course, is an myopic and obtuse view.
     
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    Yeah conservatives are usually more religious.. and usually more charitable.
     
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    It just underscores that every educational stepping stone to wealth and power in the United States is rife with fraud, deception, and an unfairness that is baked into the system. This results in a system where the have nots are pitted against each other while the haves get their set asides. For example, instead of white and Asian students suing to end affirmative action (a topic discussed at length here) and casting aspersions on the worthiness of black and brown students they should be suing to end this type of nonsense for kids who have all the benefits denied others and are still not worthy. Let's not pretend this is just a Harvard or Ivy League school thing either. I'm sure these set asides exist all over the country for large state schools.
     
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    Interesting that you do not classify Asians as brown because they produce high test scores and do not commit violent crimes when things do not go their way... a blatantly racist suggestion.

    This is the kind of anti "white", pro "dark" bias that plagues the nation's media and causes backlash against the democrat party. What swayed independents to go Republican over Democrat. 3 years after the fact, so many of the ignorant keep repeating the same mistakes.

    Harvard is a private institution and has a right to do whatever it wants under whatever propaganda they put out as their mission statement. Going their has nothing to do with innovation or changing society for the better.
     
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    A private university wants to keep rich and powerful donor families in the equation... wise choice regardless of skin color.
     
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    There are quite a few not so intelligent Harvard grads. That's what I love about MIT. You know a person is at least a near genius if they graduated from MIT unlike Harvard. Many frat bros have graduated from Harvard.
     
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    Legality and whether they ought to morally seeing as Harvard grads have a leg up advantage in the corporate world are two different questions.

    Anyways, most of these academically under-qualified students tend to chose the easy majors such as business administration. Don't see many legacy students of wealthy kids choosing fields in STEM.
     
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    A degree is worthy based on how the graduate uses it.

    STEM is incredibly challenging and great when used effectively, but also predatory when used for corporations like monsanto, roundup, bullying farmers who use natural methods into suicide etc. I see abuses of it in every major field, and the subsequent dupont teflon cover up that many STEM based organizations tend to have. Is this advancing human development or causing a drawn out demise?

    This is something that has to be stressed at all elite institutions rather than just "winning" and "money".
     
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  20. JuanValdez

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    If that's the point, then sure I'll concede it. There are institutionalized privileges that are available to some families, and as a kicker those families skew wealthy and white. Ok.

    Looks like you're one of the ones who think the math and engineering people are the real smart people and everyone else is faking it. That aside, I'd say whatever they do after they graduate, Harvard doesn't really admit anyone who isn't capable of doing the work at Harvard. Even if they end up rejecting some people who are by some measure smarter than people they accept, they are all sufficiently smart and sufficiently educated to earn a Harvard degree.
     

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