Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

For whatever my opinion matters, I’ve actually started thinking about a pretty obvious end game Mueller couid actually be planning and building towards that nobody really seems to be even considering.

I actually think Mueller will present Trump... president Trump that is... with a plea agreement. Offer immunity to his family as well. In the extent that he steps down from office and works as a cooperating witness in the case against the Russian nationals.

Trump might be the only person dumb and egotistical enough in the world to not choose that option. But I think it’s a part Mueller could surprise everyone with. When Trump potentially turns that down and goes full scorched earth, then we really have a problem on our hands.

It might be the best thing for the country and doesn’t risk having a desperate president doing something stupid around the 2020 election to stay in power because he believes holding office is the only thing keeping him out of jail. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

 

I imagine he'd laugh at Mueller if he went that route, especially if he doesn't have anything more than a really weak campaign finance case to go on.

 

In the hypothetical scenario where Mueller has a smocking gun and Trump is cooked on conspiracy (among other things), I think Mueller is just going about this like he would any other crime family/mobster take down. Bubbling up by having the small fish flip, then the big fish flip, then you get the kingpin. Once he has Trump dead to rights, he will follow the DOJ's guidelines and procedurally lay out the facts, and suggest indictment when he's no longer under protection of the oval office.

it's possible the SCO and Congress decides that removing him from office is paramount (assuming the senate wouldn't convict) and goes the plea deal route, but what are we really gaining with Trump's agreement to spill the beans on Russia? We already know about the interference, and handcuffing the administration that is connected to Russia solves a lot of our problems. As Phil Mudd put it, Russia is a 3rd world economy and we simply have an overwhelming military advantage, they just aren't a palpable threat to us.The fact that they went this far to lift Obama's sanctions shows you how fragile their economy is.

 

It's pretty absurd tbh, they got Cohen to plead guilty to a campaign finance violation that probably isn't one as part of an unrelated set of fraud charges because its the only thing he gave linking to Trump, and then Lanny Davis draws up some nonsense about Trump for him to say that has literally nothing to do with what he was convicted of (the inner voice thing made me laugh, because i assumed trump hired him because he doesn't have one, we've all known trump has affairs since marla maples).

This is like being arrested for murder and jaywalking, and the other guy who jaywalked with you is guilty of the other stuff too, because, well, just because.

 

Gee... the National Inquirer might have all sorts of dirt on donald trump. Swimming in the toxic swamp known as the National Inquirer, who would of thunk?

 

Its interesting that republicans and trump supporters (like Strassel and McEnany) are attempting to build a defense that flynn was deprived legal counsel, but of course, that lie gets quickly shot down, both by legal/FBI experts and flynn's own assistant.

 

So trump begins to build a(new) defense... and knowing it won't fly, he continues the "It was someone else's fault, even though (unnamed) "experts" say its not illegal" defense. SMH...

 

This lawyer and former prosecutor says... "nice try, but..."



Meanwhile trump continues his desperate twitter defense...

 

LOL Trump just admitted he did DIRECT Cohen to commit those acts

 

Trump the smartest man in the universe. With the most ardent and intelligent supporters.

 

Sure, but that was a given, he's got numerous valid defenses though one of which being an advice of counsel defense. Cohen would have had a responsibility to inform him that what he asked him to do could potentially be illegal, if he didn't do that....and there's almost certainly no way to prove one way or the other, then you can't prove intent which in this case, you'd have to.

Another valid defense is that paying these women off was SOP for Trump and that it is something he does no matter what the case. If he has previously paid women off when not running for president it would also pretty much shred the case against him.

That's why Cohen got 3 years. If he had anything against Trump that would stick, he'd have gotten full immunity. He didn't, so he's going to jail.

 

Must either be iron-clad testimony or perhaps recordings of his directing cohen. So now his best hope is to get people to think it was not illegal to do so, or that it was somehow cohen's fault for not arguing against him and/or following trump's directions.

 

He and his supporters are bigly smart. Stable geniuses for the win!

 

It must be reassuring that your confidence in your insight never has to waver since the goalposts are so easily moved.

 

His supporters are ignoramouses, and are being treasonous to this country.

DD

 

u don't have the facts.

the difference lies in the witness testimonies

• Trump

both Cohen / the National Inquirer editor, in separate testimonies, confirmed that Trump order the hush payments to cover up the info, from affairs a decade earlier, so as not to adversely affect Trump's candidacy.

the decision to make the hush payment was prompted by the Access Hollywood tape (of Trump's sexist comment about women)​

• in Edward's case,

both Edwards and the donor, in separate testimonies, confirmed that the payment was made to keep the info about the affair, concurrent w the campaign, away from Edward's wife. the mistress was the video journalist covering the Edward campaign.

there were no other witnesses to the case​

 

In what way have the goalposts moved? I mean, by all means, continue to believe that someone had the goods that could bring down the president and they still couldn't use that to get immunity for non violent crimes if you like. The valid legal defenses that Trump has along with the precedent Democrats set that it is acceptable for the president to break the law to hide extramarital affairs pretty much guarantees that this case goes nowhere.

 

I imagine the biggest problem you have here is that Cohen is an admitted liar and the National Enquirer is the National Enquirer. Neither of those are creditable witnesses.

When your star witnesses are an admitted liar attempting to limit his prison sentence and the people that give you this



Do you really think you have a solid case? I get the desire to believe, but you are setting yourself up for failure

 

Remember that Trump is a confirmed serial liar as well. Do you really believe he has a defense? His credibility won't hold up to any evidence.