Lol Fertitta popping up with Phase 3 in his loud and obnoxious manner, and expediting the process to make us contenders. Then jetting off to Sicily.......as if we already won the Chip......is hysterical. Nobody should take him seriously ever again!!
The picks he acquired had cost something, right? I don't have the time to dig out and track all the past trades. You can't say that he wasted nothing when those picks didn't work out because if he didn't waste those picks then he wasted whatever he used to acquire those picks. I already said that he wasn't lucky enough to get Wemby and Cade. Those were the good things that didn't happen. The bad things that could have happened but didn't was his luck, not his good work. All in all, he was both lucky and unlucky, which probably is what luck is supposed to be in most instances of life. I don't think Stone is a bad GM. But he has his flaws and probably not one of the best in the league. Morey was a very good GM in some ways but also flawed in other ways. He was lucky to get Harden. If the Harden trade didn't materialize, Morey's body of work would probably be very average.
everyone is allowed mistakes. its the % of the time that you make mistakes that matter. look at his trade history over 20 years and get back to me. his hit rate obliterates Stone's
um, look at the roster he inherited when hired. the roster moves around Tmac and Yao in their final years were brilliant. he turned Rafer into Lowry. Lowry into Harden. tons of moves around the edges that were outstanding from a value perspective even if not major splashes. We went toe to toe with the greatest team ever based entirely on his philosophy and small trades. we win the chip if Cp3 doesn't hurt his hamstring in the WCF. Oh and he NEVER tanked. you think Stone deserves credit for being a bottom 3 team 3 years in a row? It is pathetic how this fanbase has forgotten what Morey was able to do while giving Stone the biggest passes ever for doing NOTHING.
youre dead wrong about Morey. any team that wanted Harden could get him by offering more. that's not luck. Morey had the best offer. If you look back on how the trade was viewed at the time, you'll see that a lot of us on this forum were split on if we gave up too much. Obviously thats laughable but no one really knew what Harden was (except Morey). whats most impressive is that he turned Rafer to Lowry and Lowry to Harden. Every GM is going to make mistakes but Morey's successful trade hit rate is as good as any in the league. People have crowned Presti for years as the best GM in the league. why? not only did he luck into getting SGA (and yes this is luck because no other team had the Clippers over a barrel like OKC when LAC wanted Paul George), but he lucked into keeping him. He offered SGA and #6 (Giddey pick) to Detroit for #1 (Cade) in 2021. Just like he underestimates Harden, he underestimated SGA. if Detroit says yes, OKC never has a championship and Presti likely goes down for that catastrophic mistake. Oh and he effectively traded Sengun to us for 2 late 1sts. Presti is a good GM but extremely overrated. He was able to tank twice in his 20 years. Morey never had that luxury in 20 years until last year when he got VJ
Lol calling Sam Presti overrated is a crazy take. He is easily without a doubt one of the best GMs in NBA history. Sure in hindsight the Harden trade was a disaster but literally nobody outside of James and his mom knew what kind of player Harden would untimely end up as. Presti has built multiple championship contenders and has a laundry list of great draft picks plus he's won a title and will more than likely get some more.
He is viewed as the best and by a wide margin. He's easily top 10, probably top 5. but a lot of his success just comes from tanking or selling stars. he could not do what Morey had to do from 2007 to 2020 with zero tanking. Answer this honestly. How would your opinion of him change if he traded SGA and the #6 pick in 2021 for Cade? Because if Detroit had a better GM to accept that offer, that trade absolutely happens.
Honestly? I don't think so because I think Cade is easily an MVP candidate and top 10 player in the league. That OKC roster is stacked and honestly I don't think swapping SGA for Cade changes much. Cade is elite and super young still. I get where you are coming from but winning a title changes a lot of narratives. Had Morey won in 17-18 ( which we should have we were by far the best team in the league ) people would view Morey in a different light.
I understand how winning changes perception, but that's what I am calling out. Morey is viewed as trash by so many on this forum but if you evaluate all his moves against Presti's, Morey's are more impressive in aggregate. Are you telling me that if Chris Paul doesnt hurt his hamstring in WCF and we win the chip and Ballmer decides not to give up the farm for Paul George and they never win it all, Morey would be viewed at the best and Presti would be viewed as just good/above average? That is such a weak and pathetic way to assess performance.
Also, yes, Cade is really good and probably 4-5 in MVP voting. but SGA is #1 and the gap between them is large.
I really don't get the Stone hate. This team was 4th in defense and 13th in offense for a #2 seed last year. Bringing in Durant made perfect sense, especially given Green's complete disappearance save for 1 game in the playoffs. If we gave up 3 firsts for him I'd agree with you, but he didn't. Of everything that's gone wrong we still have a deep chest of 1sts over the next half decade. I'll always believe we'd be praising him if FVV didn't go down.
I think Morey has always been one of the best GMs in the league. You will not see me arguing that point. I've always loved Morey and I think he has done a great job in Phili especially considering he has had to navigate the Embid drama. Do I think he's as good as Presti? No but he's 100% a top 5 GM.
You are the one who needs to look at Morey's trade history and get back to me. Morey has made a lot of disastrous trades on the Rockets he made one S class trade in the Harden trade and then a lot of bad ones including the Cp3 trade and the WB trade.
Holy **** bro. You realize Philly is paying 3 max contracts and about to go in the lotto right? For the 2nd year? And they are gonna give their lotto pick to OKC. He also just hit on Mcain but gave him to OKC for our pick and 2 2nds. He wasted Embiid's prime getting Rockets retreads including Danuel House and Eric Gordon. He got nothing for Simmons traded him for Harden and then refused to pay him causing him to walk away. I dont think they even went to the 2nd round during the Morey era and they in the East and have an MVP. Everybody angry at Stone at least they got 2nd seed last year and still in the playoffs this year with a young core. Morey with 3 max contracts and VJ Edgecomb and gonna give their top 10 pick to OKC but he has done a great job. Ok.
When I heard about DFS missing time with injury I thought it wouldn’t matter as long as he could guard Julius Randle and make some 3s down the stretch. He hasn’t. The least he could do is look usable for 1 playoff matchup.
Lol at finding every opportunity to slurp OKC..even in a thread about DFS in the GARM. Every single opportunity. Like clockwork.
