[War] Trump declares war on Iran for regime change

Half baked ideas are half baked ideas.

 

I don’t think these people understand their opponent ..at all

it’s amazing how folks this out of touch are allowed to send people to war

 

So, the notable outcomes of this war so far are, what exactly?

• Reduced sanctions for Russia? Yep.
• Reduced sanctions for Iran? Amazingly so.
• Some dead American soldiers? Not surprising.
• Dead Iranian girls and other innocents? Of course.
• My local Costco raising gas prices three times on Friday? My fault for not having enough money to be insulated from stupid wars.
• A bunch of dumb meme guys not paying attention to experienced experts who live in reality? Well, that's the GOP these days.
• A complete obliteration of 80 years worth of diplomatic effort across the globe? Naturally.
• Massive amounts of official lies and happy talk? Inevitably.
• Profits for war and oil industries? That's America, baby! It's what we do.

Am I missing anything?

Oh well, I'm sure everything will be set right soon. We just need a surge.

 

How do our resident principled conservatives square $14 billion in lifted oil sanctions on Iran, while we are at war with them, with their years of complaining that Obama "gave" them $400 million during the JCPOA negotiations? Do they need a remedial math lesson on how much more 14,000,000,000 is than 500,000,000?

Perhaps they're ok with funding terrorism!

 

It was, but the resident MAGA neocons always characterized it as Barack Obama handing a giant novelty check to the Ayatollah.

 

Predictably, it’s TACO time.

 

This is a very lengthy article, which goes into a lot of detail, history, and examples, that is worth reading. It's right on point, and I included a few paragraphs.

War Becomes Spectacle in Trump’s Horrific Propaganda Promoting War in Iran

During his presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised to be an antiwar candidate, boasting that, unlike his predecessors, he would end endless wars and keep the United States out of new military conflicts. Yet the trajectory of his presidency has unfolded in the opposite direction. From expanding military confrontations in the Caribbean to the escalating war with Iran, launched through large-scale strikes that risk igniting a wider regional catastrophe, Trump’s rule has increasingly relied on the language and machinery of war. As Zachary Basu points out in Axios, “he has attacked seven nations [and] authorized more individual air strikes in 2025 than President Biden did in four years.”

What makes this moment particularly disturbing is not only the violence itself, but also the way it is staged and celebrated.

We inhabit a time in which the promise of democracy has been kidnapped, stripped of its moral language, and cast into the abyss of authoritarian rule. Reason, once the fragile guardian of justice and collective responsibility, now suffocates beneath what Jeffrey Edward Green describes as an ocular politics of lies, corruption, and organized cruelty. It has been subordinated to a visual culture that “sparks deep emotional responses” while deriding solidarity, democratic values, and informed judgment. Justice itself has been weaponized, transformed into an instrument of state terror wielded by an army of thugs who abduct, assault, and kill protesters, migrants, and people of color. Hope is mocked as naïveté, memory is erased, and historical consciousness is censored in a political culture where resistance itself is treated as a crime.

Under the Trump regime and its allied Western governments, the adoration of force has become a ruling passion. Due process is ignored, opponents are abducted or threatened, world leaders are intimidated, and military violence is carried out with little regard for international law or human life. From the bombing of migrants and refugees at sea to the massive flow of weapons that have enabled Israel’s assault on Gaza and the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians, the abandonment of restraint has become increasingly visible.

Under the current regime, the United States has little left to offer the world but a shameless display of coercion and destruction. Trump and his lieutenants appear intoxicated by their own impunity, indifferent to international law and uninterested in manufacturing consent. Instead, they practice a form of political gangsterism marked by intimidation, abductions, and the open threat or removal of rival heads of state.

This intoxication with force is not simply a matter of policy; it is also staged and circulated through images that normalize domination and train the public to accept cruelty as a legitimate expression of power.


https://truthout.org/articles/war-b...ps-horrific-propaganda-promoting-war-in-iran/

 

You are correct, but it's actually more complex than that. There were three separate deals with Iran, and one of them involved a legal dispute dating back to the Iranian revolution. Iran had paid the U.S. $400 million for military hardware that was never delivered after the revolution. The case went to international court, and the U.S. was likely to lose. The Obama administration settled for the original $400 million plus $1.3 billion in accrued interest, closing a 37-year dispute. At the same time of this settlement, we got the JCPOA nuclear agreement, and a prisoner exchange involving four Americans all happened simultaneously on the same day. (Some Republicans framed it as paying $400 million for a prisoner exchange, which was a deliberate mischaracterization of three separate and simultaneous negotiations.)

Now that we have a pretty clear contrast between two approaches to Iran, multilateral complex negotiation vs unilateral maximum pressure, the outcomes speak for themselves. If I have some time later, I'll post a fuller breakdown here comparing the two approaches and where each one led.

 

I get the feeling this regime looked at Iran and thought “brown people from a developing country, should be easy” and then went and attacked with Israel while doing not even the bare minimum of planning

they thought it would be another Venezuela

 

NYT accuses Trump of 'hiding the truth'

The New York Times rarely resorts to the word “lie” when it comes to U.S. president, but the editorial board did not mince words on Saturday when it accused President Donald Trump of nonstop lying about his war with Iran on Saturday.

“From his first announcement of the attack on Iran on Feb. 28, President Trump has issued a stream of falsehoods about the war,” said the Times. “He has said Iran wants to engage in negotiations, though its government shows no sign of it. He has claimed that the United States ‘destroyed 100 percent of Iran’s Military capability’ when Tehran continues to inflict damage throughout the region. He has said the war is almost complete even as he calls in reinforcements from around the globe.”

“Lying is standard behavior for Mr. Trump, of course,” continued the editorial board. “His political career began with a lie about Barack Obama’s birthplace, and he has lied about his business, his wealth, his inauguration crowd size, his defeat in the 2020 election and so much more. A CNN tally of Mr. Trump’s falsehoods during one part of his first term found that he averaged eight false claims per day. Many people are so accustomed to his lies that they hardly notice them anymore.”

But lying about war is “uniquely corrosive,” said the Times, arguing that when a president “signals that the truth does not matter in wartime,” he encourages his cabinet and his generals to mislead the country about how the war is going.

“He creates a culture in which deadly mistakes and even war crimes can become more common. He makes it harder to win by hiding the realities of conflict and by making allies wary of joining the fight. Ultimately, he undermines American values and interests.”

Trump could have made a fact-based argument for confronting the regime, particularly regarding the threat it posed to its neighbors and its potential for nuclear weapon development, but Trump took the falsehood route.

“The president was only a few minutes into his Feb. 28 announcement of the start of the conflict when he offered an obviously contradictory rationale for it. He repeated his claim that American attacks last June ‘obliterated’ Iran’s nuclear program while also citing that program as a reason to go to war,” said the Times. “The claim of obliteration is false: Iran retains about 970 pounds of highly enriched uranium, potentially enough for 10 warheads.”

And the lies have only continued with Trump claiming the U.S. military had a “virtually unlimited supply” of high-end munitions even as the Pentagon had to withdraw weapons from South Korea to sustain its Iranian effort, said the Times. He also claimed “nobody” believed Iran would retaliate by attacking Arab countries, even though some experts “had warned of precisely this scenario.”

“Starting a war is the most serious action that a political leader can take,” argued the Times. “It ends lives and can change history. … Whatever short-term gain Mr. Trump thinks he is getting by lying about the war in Iran is far exceeded by the cost, for him, the country and the world.”


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the lies where he just makes up that Iran is negotiating or even that some deal is close are the ones that get me the most

I know the low IQ inbred base eats that dumb sh*t up like it’s 5D chess, but in the context of the war itself, what do these lies accomplish?

 

Trump lies to make himself look better? Said it aint so.

 

Iran did hit a building in Demona injuring 40, I wish they did they hit the nuclear reactor instead

 

How long are we going to be surprised and disgusted with Trump’s words? Because that is the whole point of the lying and **** talking. To get you wrapped up in feelings about words. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to his actions.

Even if he said everything in the most eloquent, diplomatic and poetic way, he continues a tradition of disgusting actions that have lasted 20+ terms or 14+ Presidents.

Stop lying to yourself about how this one is so much worse just because of words. You have been getting robbed for decades.

 

US Official: There May Be Room for Negotiation on Returning Frozen Iranian Assets

Axios, citing a US official:

There may be room for negotiation on returning frozen Iranian assets.

What Iran calls compensation, we might call the return of frozen funds, and there are several ways to phrase it.

We want commitments from Iran that include no missile program for five years and no uranium enrichment.

We require the dismantling of the Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow reactors and strict external monitoring of centrifuges.

We require arms control agreements with countries in the region and a missile limit of no more than 1,000 kilometers.

Trump's advisors want to be prepared in case talks with Iran begin in the near future.

The conditions set by Wittkopf and Kushner will be similar to those they presented in Geneva two days before the outbreak of war.

 

If Witkof and Kushner are still the leads here, I doubt Iran will seriously come to the table. They are getting bombed like nobody's business, but they are in strong position and will have some demands of their own.

 

So Trump probably didn’t know, but his zi admin did . Even more troublesome, his foreign agents make all the decisions