The thing is Communist China is an illegitimate government. They took over China in 1949 out of the barrel of a gun( Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun-Mao).
Where's Donnie??? Send dumb tweets to escalate things into nuclear war!!! Do it now so you can send one of your fat boys a week or two later to "smooth things out" with an agreement that still leaves Hong Kong hanging.
Anyone who thinks that the British could've just hung onto Hong Kong Island and Kowloon knows pretty much nothing about Hong Kong. HK still has a reason to have special status based on what you just wrote. There is little to no faith in the PRC stock markets while the Hang Seng is still globally recognized. HK is still seen as a good place for things like finance because people believe the rule of law is respected. Many PRC businesses have satellite offices or list themselves as HK businesses because investors are more confident in HK than they are the PRC. This is one of the issues that in cracking down on HK the PRC risks damage to their own economy. It is another reason why I argue it is in the PRC's own interest to live up to the both the spirit and letter of the Basic Law agreement. This current law that CCP is proposing just shreds that idea and if both the PRC and foreign interest treat HK as just another city in the PRC it will have negative effects both for the PRC and likely the region.
gee, you are ill-informed. do you even know how the Brit got HK ? H K was ‘won’/ robbed/taken by the British by an unjust war, which was originated by opium traders/ the East Indian Company to force the trade of narcotics into China: opium, not so righteous anyway Thatcher sought the PRC's agreement to a continued British presence in the New Territories However, the PRC took a contrary position: not only did the PRC wish for the New Territories, on lease until 1997, to be placed under the PRC's jurisdiction, it also refused to recognize the "unfair and unequal treaties" under which Hong Kong Island and Kowloon had been ceded to Britain in perpetuity. Consequently, the PRC recognized only the British administration in Hong Kong, but not British sovereignty. effectively, Deng told Thatcher to GTFO, or the PLA tanks will enter HK to kick out the Brits. knowing that many unequal international treaties were rebutted after WWII, Thatcher had no choice but to leave. btw, the Brit never gave up HK, they returned what was borrowed under duress
gee, ur ill-informed the CCP won a civil war kicking out the KMT government, who had previously won a revolution kicking out the Qin Dynasty who had ruled China for ~~ 200 yrs
Sure, whatever you say little pink! Ask the people of HK right now if they would rather have the Brits or the ChiCom bastards. Go earn another 50cent from Winnie. It ain’t worth it man. You have been exposed to the free world, why continue to support this brutal, murderous regime and taking orders from that fat, stinky, goofy looking doofus Winnie to betray your race. All they wanted is just a taste of freedom like anyone else in this free world.
Ill informed about the ChiCom, never. On the other hand, you’re clearly biased when it comes to them and could be another supporter. So many damn supporters and apologists for these commie bastards around here.
ur confused. most of that infrastructure in the New Territories, if not all, are owned by the PRC surrogates to support the shipping/commerce in the neighboring PRC city of Shenzhen, where iPhones are assembled. prior to Deng kicking out the Brits, Shenzhen and HK's New territories were, effectively, large undeveloped area interspersed w small farms ur mixed up, while the Brits had developed HK island and the harbor area of Kowloon, PRC thru its surrogates had developed the New Territories nothing can be further from the truth. if HK operates just like every other Chinese city, then it cannot trade currency for China, trade dimsun bonds for china. these are two critical reasons for SAR status for HK.
Just my personal opinion, but I suspect China is nearing the point where they are ready to be done with Hong Kong. Perhaps there is some delusion within the CCP that they can crack down on Hong Kong while preserving its unique status as a means to attract foreign investment but I'd like to believe that the CCP is ready to accept that they might be destroying Hong Kong's future with all of this. They'd rather lose Hong Kong's status than continue to have a part of China that is constantly protesting the CCP. But who knows, maybe the CCP is just that stupid to think that they can crack down on Hong Kong (and bypass the legislature in the process) while somehow preserving Hong Kong's perceived independence from the CCP. No I'm not wrong. By the time of the handover, a majority of Hong Kong's power was coming from a coal plant in the New Territories. You are correct that until the 80s, most power generation was not done in the New Territories. That changed as the British wanted to free up valuable real estate in Kowloon and HK Island. This was planned in the 70s as Hong Kong started to densify and there was a major need for land. The same is true with the shipping ports. By the time of the handover, almost all shipping was done at the huge port in Kwai Chung. That was planned back in the 60s. To return the New Territories only would have required the British to recreate all of the power and shipping infrastructure which wasn't feasible. It would have been impossible to find a spot to recreate the Kwai Tsing Port in Kowloon or HK Island. The New Territories are still quite open and in some parts very rural. But the British made a conscious choice to put key infrastructure there before the handover. That made it impossible to split the New Territories from the rest of Hong Kong.
u have no idea what ur talking about. HK's population has always been densed, even B4 WW2, forever in need of more space; made worst, from the late 50s to late 60s, as many millions of mainlanders fled China as a result of Mao's economic folly, the Great Leap Forward policy thus, it's not surprising that, since the 1950s, on a per sq ft basis, rent in HK has been the most expensive in the world once again, ur have no idea what ur talking about. in the 1960s, nobody had foreseen the development of China/Shenzhen, not the Brits, HKers nor China. fyi, in the 60s, Mao was in power, and it appeared (to Western observers) that Deng, from the pragmatists wing of the CCP) could be purged anytime. for the benefits of geeimsobored, Deng was the architect of China's meteoric economic rise starting in the early 1980s the Brits's original intent was to have a buffer area between Kowloon and China, making it easier for it to monitor the border actually, it''s a return of something borrowed under duress.
I don't think Xi or the rest of the leaders of the CCP are quite so naive to believe they can crack down on HK and still benefit from the HK markets and financial reputation. My own feeling is that in the hierarchy of issues fealty to the CCP and territorial sovereignty are more important. This is a centerpiece of PRC rhetoric, that there is only one China and that is the People's Republic of China. That people in HK are even talking about leaving the PRC that is a direct threat to them. This is another example of where Xi's authoritarian instincts are not serving the country well or even the idea of one China. The people of Taiwan, even those members of the KMT who have been more open towards closer ties to the PRC will never accept CCP rule or trust any CCP promises to allow Taiwan to keep its system if things go bad in HK.
I'm not quite clear what your disagreement is with geeimsobored here. Even back in the 1980's it would've been very difficult to separate out Kowloon and Hong Kong Island from the New Territories and still had a functional HK. It's nearly impossible now. While yes most of the population density is in Kowloon and Hong Kong Island well before the handover there were already new towns like Shatin already in the New Territories. Major infrastructure as noted like power plants and reservoirs were built there along with the Hong Kong Univeristy of Technology (HKUST). I know this because some of my family was moved to Shatin in the 80's and my father is a professor at HKUST. The first time I went to HK was in 1992 when HKUST was opened and there was already a lot of development then. Since then it's only become more developed. It's not just the cargo terminal but also Hong Kong's International Airport is in the New Territories. This airport had been planned long before the handover and was almost completed by the time of the handover. There is no way HK could go back to the Kai Tak airport in the middle of the harbour and with a single runway.
For those not familiar with HK geography here is a map showing the New Territories in relation to Kowloon and HK island.
specifically, this w the innuendo that HK's population was not dense before that that's where my father had settled in the 50s, after fleeding the Pearl River Delta (PRD) region in the PRC, situated at immediately north of the New Territories. he was a teacher to the children of Shatin farmers, in a country-style school house, for ~ a year before re-locating to Bruce Lee's old stomping ground in Kowloon City. our family took a vacation to visit the PRD and Shatin, in 2000, which had become bustling metro areas nary any farm lands
I believe China can easily crack down HK if the leadership choose to. Examples are how quickly 64 and Falonggong were cleaned up once the leaders made the decision. Also notice how quiet Xinjiang has been in 3 years and how fast covid-19 has been put out in China.... China government can do incredible things because they have the support from 1.4 billion people ... The anti-China warriors and terrorists in HK will be cracked down for sure. China is waiting for the right moment. As for Taiwan,even HK becomes the best heaven in real heaven, Taiwan would not accept CCP rule peacefully. China has stopped any promising to them lately. The war is fomenting.
I dare you little pink to say that Winnie the Pooh is a fat, stinky, doofus looking piece of commie turd. It’s only fair, you crap on Mr Trump every chance you get and getaway with it, not so easy when you insult dear leader isn’t it?
