Dude, just shut the **** up and stop it. We've all heard what you have to say, whether we agree or not, we've heard it all. Nothing you are saying is helping anyone right now.
You're so full of crap.. EBOLA... Congo MERS... Middle East Arabian peninsula.. H1N1... Mexico This virus is like cancer... no one really knows how it starts... like an other flu it reinvents itself... In a different region... T_Man
It's truly amazing just how much Trump has butchered this. My expectations for him couldn't have been lower, and somehow he failed to meet even that. Despite the disaster of the last 4 years, he could have guaranteed re-election by even decent handling of this. This is the kind of event that wins very easy support, instead he's stumbling over his words and getting angry at softball questions. Meanwhile nothing resembling a plan seems to be taking shape. Given our size, I would be shocked if our death toll isn't the highest in the world..by a significant margin.
NPR is fact checking trump as well... and on five pretty straightfoward and important statements (using Naval ships as hospitals, FDA drug approvals, a website Google was building for determining if you need testing, availability of vitally needed respirators and other medical supplies, and testing) trump was outright lying to the American people. Fact-Checking 5 Trump Administration Claims On The Coronavirus Pandemic https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/8189...nistration-claims-on-the-coronavirus-pandemic
When people say "Chinese Culture" started this I'm going to point out that most people in Taiwan consider themselves ethnically Chinese and follow Chinese culture so do most people in Singapore. There is a difference between "Chinese" and the "Peoples Republic of China" (PRC). I have no problem calling it the "Wuhan Virus" as that is where it originated and what Asian news services were calling it when it first broke out but calling it the "Chinese Virus" and blaming it on Chinese culture and wet markets in problematic and the in ability to understand the differences is what is leading to the attacks on Chinese and other Asians around the World. The PRC and CCP deserve blame for ignoring the problem and covering it up initially. They deserve blame for poor sanitation standards and corruption. Wet markets are in Taiwan, Singapore, Canada and many other countries. If they are well run and standards kept up they are as safe as most supermarkets in the US. Rhetoric painting Chinese people as backwards bat eaters smacks of the old Yellow Peril days and other racist tropes. It's also unhelpful when Taiwan and even the PRC are actively trying to help other countries affected by this. [edit]Looks like I posted this in the wrong thread.
Just ignore Trumpist racism pivot here. I know it's hard. It shows how threatened and powerless he is....and he should be. He is the captain of the ****ing Titanic. The iceberg was in sight in January. We slammed into it in February. He decided to take the tarp off the lifeboat on Tuesday. The scale of the civic and economic catastrophe is unimaginable....and it didn't have to be this way. Basically if you took Andrew Johnson, combined him with Herbert Hoover and a drunken Richard Nixon.... we'd be better off than under Trump.
There is a careful balance between offering up possibilities of hope and misleading the public. trump rarely is careful...
I posted about this more than a month ago because initial studies showed promise. Also this drug is being stockpiled by some authorities around the world now. These are good medicines and quite frankly our best short term hope. Trump is right that they may work. The chinese tested it... then well respected academics in Italy tested it. People's jeering and pointing fingers at Trump over this will not age well.
Political chaos not health chaos so no Thousands could get sick and die because of the evil CCP. The only saving grace is enough chaos ensues to get the world to rally against the CCP and save the world.
I agreed with that already, I said he was a poor leader. But we already all knew that. It's the partisan media tactics in the face of a pandemic and a largely uniformed public that makes my blood boil.
Let’s come back to this when we are 45 days in plus please. Let’s keep in mind that only 15,000 or so have tested positive of 300 million Americans and there have been 200 or so deaths out of 300 million. Most people also see mass mobilization and shut downs even in states with Trumper governors like Abbott. So I think right now people are just seeing on its face something that isn’t likely to affect them statistically and they see their daily lives affected with precautions. Trump is benefiting from the response of states and local cities regardless of what he is doing or not doing. Normal people who don’t follow Trump see something that resembles a functional response. However all the data modeling shows that will change and this is likely to overwhelm our hospital system with a US sized Italy type of situation and likewise Trumps approval will be affected regardless of what he does or does not do. Trump has been highly incompetent with the economy and constantly over 4 year has said insane things about economics but he has retained high approval on the economy because despite him, most Americans see an economy that’s working and say “whatever he’s doing it’s working.” It’s highly likely to be much of the same with his Covid response polling. However those of us that pay attention that see him: -Suppressing testing to hide infection numbers -lying about it going away magically -contradicting his doctors -using racism scapegoatism to distract -pumping false hope reg cures (hydrocloroquin, etc) -No providing federal assistance to governors Know that Trump is completely incompetent in his response and is more of a danger to the problem than he is a solution. If we get through this is will be despite him not because of him. But for the sake of all of us... If Trumps approval rating on Covid is 99% in the end thats a great thing and I hope to God he proves me wrong. I want very much for Trump to be right that this will just magically go away or that in the next couple weeks everyone will get a magic cure drug that inoculates everyone and the economy roars back even better than it was before. Please God... allow Trump to be right about those promises please.
Again and again and again... Trump, his supporters, and his apologists will never take responsibility. I agree the PRC has a lot to be blamed on but they weren't responsible for when it came here and what our response was. It was just three weeks ago that Trump was saying this was a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats and the media and we have right here his apologist still blaming the Democrats and the media. I've said this before but leadership requires responsibility something that Trump is pathologically adverse to and something that his apologists give him a pass on. This is a small thing and in the big scheme of things not that important but let me use this example. Just a week ago my band played a show for the weekend leading up to St. Patrick's Day. We had another show scheduled for St. Patrick's day. We had reservations about our shows but were planning on proceeding trusting the venue. I got a lot of pressure from many sources including here on Clutchfans to cancel our St. Patrick's day show. We had an internal discussion in the band. Some were very adamant that we play the show but on Sunday our bass player discussed the warnings from the CDC and at that point I along with most of the band agreed that we shouldn't play the show. Since I had been arguing that we should trust the venue and that we needed to consider also what happens to the staff of the venue I took it upon myself to go talk to the managers directly. I felt for us to suddenly cancel on them, even with everything that was going on, it would be best to take responsibility to explain to them why and offer to play a show after all this was over with the proceeds going to the staff. If you're not a big name in music a lot of these shows are done on reputation and venues tend not to like acts that cancel on them suddenly and close to the show. I knew that if I didn't take responsibility, even to the point of admitting that I was wrong about how serious things were this venue might never consider booking us again. I posted an imaginary Presidential statement from Trump on the second page of this thread where he delivers a message taking responsibility for downplaying the seriousness of this situation and promises to do better and be honest with the American people. If he had just done that, something that took me 10 minutes to write.. We might not have seen the markets decline as precipitously as they have. Instead we've gotten more deflection, blame, self pity mixed in with overly optimistic happy talk. These have real consequences and the most direct barometer of that is that the markets have dropped literally as Trump has spoken.
Trump vs Fauci: President and doctor spar over unproven drug https://wset.com/news/nation-world/trump-vs-fauci-president-and-doctor-spar-over-unproven-drug
Trump keeps talking during market hours; stocks keep tanking WASHINGTON (AP) — When President Donald Trump speaks, financial markets gyrate and quiver in real time. But that hasn’t stopped the president from holding forth almost daily about the coronavirus pandemic and its economic implications without waiting until markets have closed for the day. While many of his predecessors worked consciously to not affect the markets, Trump has overtly made market movements and performance a measure of his effectiveness and central to his argument for a second term. Earlier this week, public health officials announced a surge of infections in the U.S. as leading economists predicted unemployment spiking to 10% or more. Trump, meanwhile, took the White House podium in the middle of the trading day to offer an optimistic take on his administration’s response to the crisis. “One of the elements that is being worked on very much so on the Hill is to keep the jobs going so that when we do get rid of the virus, we’re going to be able to just really...go like a rocket,” said Trump on Thursday as at the market spiked more than 300 points, then dove into negative territory and then inched back into positive territory over the course of his 77-minute press conference. “I think the economy is going to be fantastic.” The president headed to the same place again on Friday while the markets were open for an even longer news conference, where he vacillated between expressing optimism and lashing out about “nasty” journalists’ negativity. Amid more difficult news—the number of confirmed infections around the globe surpassed 250,000 cases—the Dow Jones industrial average closed down more than 4.5 percent on Friday. At the end of the market’s heaviest losses in more than 30 years, the market closed at 19,173.98, below where it stood on the day before Trump was inaugurated and erased the so-called “Trump bump” that he’s pointed to throughout his presidency as evidence of his prowess as the economic steward. Nevertheless, in the midst of one of the most volatile moments ever for the U.S. economy, Trump has wagered that his voice is the daily balm needed to soothe investor concerns. Over the course of the last eight days--all on which he held extended news conferences about the coronavirus response in the midst of trading -- his comments haven’t stopped the bleeding. The Dow has lost more than 17% since March 13, and has plummeted more than 34% since the market hit an all-time high Feb. 19. The president’s decision to offer daily affirmations to the health of the stock market, and the economy writ large, is not surprising. But no president has tied his fortunes to Wall Street more closely than Trump, who until the market crash bragged that the rising stock market was evidence of his success leading the economy. “Maybe, he should take it offline,”’ said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody Analytics. “But this president? He’s not going to do that.” Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush avoided talking about the stock market with substance, let alone trying to impact the market in the midst of trading. Bill Clinton took to heart his economic adviser Robert Rubin’s advice that markets go up and markets go down. Barack Obama was ridiculed as the stock-picker-in-chief less than two months into office when he suggested in the midst of a market slide that it was a good time to buy undervalued stocks. For much of his next six years in office, the 44th president was often measured when even talking about the improved health of the economy: his first term started in throes of the Great Recession but he left office with 75 straight months of job growth. By the latter part of his presidency, Obama began claiming credit for the bull market on occasion. “The stock market is booming,” Obama declared in a speech in a July 2014 speech in Kansas City. Those close to Trump said he was fully aware that the coronavirus posed an enormous threat to the very same once-booming markets he touted as the calling card of his presidency, even as he was publicly downplaying concerns about the virus. In the weeks that the pandemic ballooned into a public health emergency, Trump had become increasingly frustrated as he privately expressed concerns to his advisers about the effect the virus could have on the markets and ultimately his reelection effort, according to White House officials and Republicans close to the West Wing. Trump throughout his presidency has viewed the market’s performance as his “daily report card” of his job performance, Zandi said. With the pandemic thrusting the economy toward a recession, Zandi said that Trump now appears to be turning to the market for an “hourly report card” to gauge the effectiveness of his response. “In the past, sometimes it worked and sometimes it doesn’t,” Zandi said of the president’s years-long cheerleading of the market. “Recently, it hasn’t. He’s in fact, as of late, done less to instill confidence and more to upset investors. They don’t view his actions as very productive in terms of this crisis. It’s worked against him.” Throughout his presidency, Trump has used off-the-cuff diatribes to try to shame major, publicly-traded companies whose business dealings are at odds with his political interests, tapped out timely, friendly tweets about China’s Xi Jinping to calm market concerns about trade wars, and repeatedly berated Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell about the central bank’s policies during market dips. Trump has repeatedly made clear that the battered market is top of his mind, as trillions of dollars in wealth and nearly all the gains for the Dow Jones Industrial tallied since his inauguration have been erased. He has sought to will a comeback with his daily updates about his administration’s efforts to contain the virus in the midst of trading day, Zandi said. It mostly hasn’t worked. Trump held a Rose Garden press conference on March 13, just before the New York Stock Exchange closed for the weekend, to declare a national emergency, to announce greater availability of virus testing kits were in the pipeline, and to declare he was ordering the purchase of oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Later that weekend, he boasted during another news conference that the market responded to his performance with its biggest single-day gain ever. Left unsaid by the president was the fact that market had its single-worst day since the 1987 Black Monday the day before the record gain. “I think we should do one of them every day, perhaps. How about five times a day?” Trump remarked. “We’ll do one five times a day. But that was something to watch and — I had no idea.” The huge Friday gains that Trump bragged came from his market-whispering were followed by a wipe-out Monday that saw a historic, nearly 3,000-point slide for the Dow. Investors dumped stocks after the Fed’s surprise move on Sunday evening to cut interest rates to near zero, a move that appeared to only exacerbate investor worries about a global recession. The Fed rate cut came the day after Trump again publicly berated Powell over lending rates. Jason Furman, a Harvard University economist who served as Obama’s chief economic adviser, said Trump should provide important coronavirus updates whenever he and his team sees fit. But Furman also advised that Trump should “let the stock market take care of itself.” Diane Swonk, chief economist at Grant Thornton, said the “genie is out of the bottle” with Trump’s consistent attempts to shape the market through Twitter and the media. And with the global nature of the marketplace, when Trump makes his comments remains less important than the substance of his remarks, she said.. “This is where facts matter, information matters and very focused communication matters,” Swonk said. “His experts should be all the focus. His job should be to be the steward right now. Often, the alpha dog isn’t the first one in the pack.” https://apnews.com/5b5f43cb2080919c88d12d5b529858fe
