Biden voted and helped write the bill so it's hard to harp on Bernie in comparison, and I haven't harped on either on that vote. I've said I disagree with Bernie's votes on gun control. I understand he was representing a rural hunting state, but he didn't look at it broadly enough for the nation.
So you understand why Bernie did it yet you ignore why Biden did it. Biden never actually voted for anything yet Bernie did yet you can't harp on it? Makes total sense.
What. When Bernie did it? Ignore? Why Biden did it? What is this it? I said Bernie was wrong and didn't think broadly enough on the gun votes, that's not ignoring it or exemption. Biden did vote for many bad things, but I'm not gonna bring that up because I'm not the one playing the game your accusing me of, YOU are.
Ok good, he’s been a smart electable politician through the years. That shows good judgment. I fully expect him to fight for progressive causes as president and help down-ballot democrats get elected. You’re an old voter and still don’t realize that’s how it works?? Good god this is elementary. The team with the donkey mascot will do better with your causes because they represent the progressive wing of the party. The president is not a dictator (though trump wishes) and real change evolves through Congress. Biden is your champion if you want M4A. Bernie can’t deliver that because he’s just not popular enough
You said Bernie was wrong when somebody else pointed out his votes. You have in this very thread been harping on what Biden said over 20 years ago without prompt. I ask again why did you never say anything unprompted about the bad things that Bernie has voted on? But everything you don't like about Biden you harp on it multiple posts over several threads but never Bernie, why is that?
Yes please quit replying to my post, you are consistently confused and just looking to have arguments. This thread is about the debate. In the debate, Biden and Bernie go back and forth about Biden's past remarks of cutting SS and medicare, and somehow I'm bringing it up out of context. Your confusion is exhausting.
I didnt get the chance to watch the whole debate but watched a lot of clips and it looks like Biden has hit his stride. He's not the Biden of 12 years ago but he certainly doesn't seem like an old doddering fool with dementia.
I'm not sure why people are attacking @ThatBoyNick. I disagree with what he's saying in this thread but it seems like he's trying to respond respectfully.
It's alright I understand it. This election cycle has been intense, many people are angry and hostile towards Bernie supporters, which I am. But more than a Bernie supporter, my ideology aligns closely with social democracy, which is pretty different in many areas from the Dem party's current neoliberalist stance. So due to being an outsider to the Dem Party's idealogy, I'm not viewed as being on the same team and am therefore treated accordingly. Which is okay.
I like your response here. For me personally, I take no issue with Bernie supporters if they are simultaneously passionate to those values while also not being recklessly anti-Biden. I would love for everyone to have universal healthcare at a cheap rate (if not free, but nothing is truly free). I also believe everyone suited for higher education ought to have little to no barrier to college admission, especially a financial barrier. As far as I can tell, every democratic politician feels the same way. Many republicans do as well, we just all have varying opinions on how you achieve this. With Democrats you know you’ll at least have figures who will lend an ear to bernie’s proposals. Within the Democratic Party you also know that climate change is accepted as true and imminent. Democrats are typically pro-choice and will listen to the plight of minorities. Our methods will differ, but a Bernie Democrat and a Biden Democrat have many things in common. A Romney republican isn’t dramatically far away either. A Trump supporter is. Donald Trump is the antithesis of progressivism. A threat to our institutions and a stain on our reputation. We must restore our democracy as a marketplace of ideas. This is severely restricted under a Trump presidency. Defeating him is my only wish. It’s why time and time again you see Democrats unite at the polling booth with the goal of “defeating Donald Trump”. And it’s why when I discovered Biden as the person best equipped to garner the requisite votes to win, it became much easier to support his candidacy and reject Bernie’s. Revolutionary actions may be necessary. However, ending trump’s reign damn sure feels like an American revolution in its own right.
Confused? I never said you brought it up out of context, I said you brought it up unprompted, do you not understand the difference? I am not the one confused here.
Don't know if this was directed at me but I did not attack him and how is calling someone the worst poster and confused respectful? I don't really care but it definitely is not respectful.
