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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. MojoMan

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    Amy Klobuchar, playing the woman's card. This is very sad to see. She may not realize it, but this is a killer for her, if she continues to go down this path. It is just this kind of talk that causes many people to take women less seriously than men.

    What drives Amy Klobuchar's disdain for Pete Buttigieg

    He is benefiting from male privilege and wouldn't be treated the same if he were a woman, she said. "Could we be running with less experience," Klobuchar asked rhetorically of women in an interview. "I don't think so. I don't think people would take us seriously."

    The then-South Bend, Indiana, mayor had barely risen to national attention at that point in the Democratic primary fight, but that sentiment -- that Buttigieg had not paid his dues and would be dismissed if he were a woman -- has gnawed at the Minnesota senator ever since. And it has only grown as Buttigieg has outflanked her for the moderate lane in the primary, rising to a top finish in Iowa and a strong second place finish in New Hampshire.​

    To be fair, Buttigieg is lacking in experience, and is clearly quite weak in that area. However, Klobuchar would be better off just focusing intently on that point of weakness and staying well clear of playing the "Woman's card," or the "victim card". Both of these latter plays hurt her case for the presidency quite significantly.

    Going back to the beginning of this thread in January 2019, I pointed to Klobuchar as a candidate that could bridge the various divides among the Democrats and who was probably the most difficult challenge for Trump among anyone discussed at that point who there was reason to believe would be a viable candidate.

    Perhaps this is just going to be good experience for her and she can try again in 2024 or 2028. Because very much more of this kind of talk and she is going to be done for 2020.
     
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    She’s not wrong, but I agree - not a good look. She’s letting the fact that Pete is beating her despite being a state and nationwide loser with a thin resume get under her skin.
     
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    The reason Pete is getting a pass on his experience is not simply because he is "a man". It is because he likes to have sex with other men.

    But to be fair, he is not getting much of a free pass from the voters, who appear unwilling to overlook his youth and inexperience just because of his sexual proclivities. There is clearly a certain segment of the Democrat left that will, but many more do not appear to be going along with it.

    In fact this whole "intersectionality" presentation does not appear to be as effective as the far left PC leaders of the Democrat left have been hoping for. Instead, these groups and their followers are frequently inclined to stay in their lane and let the members of the other 'sections' fend for themselves.

    We are not entirely in the clear yet, but it seems like the American democratic tradition might just survive all of this foolishness yet.
     
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    Final RCP average for Nevada on polling day.

    RCP Poll Average - Nevada
    32.5 - Sanders
    16.0 - Biden
    16.0 - Buttigieg
    14.0 - Warren
    09.5 - Klobuchar
    09.0 - Steyer

    Sanders and Buttigieg are up, Warren and Steyer are down, Biden and Klobuchar are flat from the last average four days ago. At the same time, Buttigieg leapfrogged Warren and Steyer reverse-leapfrogged Klobuchar (who stayed flat in the polling).

    It will be interesting to compare this with the actual results.
     
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    With respect, this is nonsense and gives Pete no credit for getting where he is. Pete’s novelty popularity is based mainly off of his merits and you know that.

    He’s young. He’s fresh. He’s the new face in a field of geriatric career politicians. Comes across as the articulate intellectual. Very calm and level headed. Excellent debater and counterpuncher. Gifted fundraiser.

    While it’s true some of his on initial popularity and traction (and fundraising gains) were due to his popularity in the gay community. It’s not the reason he’s where he is now, though, and you know that.
     
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    Chris Matthews suggests that the Democrats would be better off re-electing Trump for four more years than allowing Sanders to reshape the party, with all the historical baggage that would come with that.



    This is apparently the thought process going through some leftists heads right now. It is not that they are opposed to what Bernie is promoting. In fact, they have brought this on themselves by aggressively promoting ideas and principles that are entirely consistent with what Bernie Sanders is promoting.

    But with Bernie, they will have to own it all, hook, line and sinker, rod, reel and tackle-box.

    In fact, if they even nominate Sanders, the Democrats will be the American Socialist party from now on. Sure there will be the spin, the deflection, the denials and the obfuscation. But the scarlett letter will have been effectively branded onto them.

    So in that, Matthews is wrong. To escape the destiny that he is concerned with, the Democrats need to nominate someone more moderate than Sanders to begin with, at least someone who pretends to be more moderate, even if they really are not all that moderate. Rest assured, there are many of the leading thinkers for the Democrat political establishment who know this, too, and are working as we speak to figure out how to make sure he is not the nominee for the party in November.
     
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    President Trump congratulates Bernie Sanders on a 'great win' in Nevada.

    Trump congratulates Bernie Sanders on 'great win' in Nevada

    President Trump congratulated Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders after he overwhelmingly won the Nevada caucuses. "It was a great win for Bernie Sanders," Trump told reporters outside the White House on Sunday. "We'll see how it all turns out. They have a lot of winning to do. I hope they treat him fairly."

    Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist whose supporters have complained that the party's establishment does not want him to be the nominee, is now seen as the front-runner in the 2020 Democratic contest.

    Trump has cheered Sanders's rise, banking on his supporters and undecided independents rejecting the Vermont senator's liberal policies in the general election this fall. "Frankly, I don't care who I run against; I just hope they treat him fairly," Trump said. "I hope it's not going to be a rigged deal. We'll see what happens."​

    It is so nice to see these folks getting along so well, even if it is just for a little while.
     
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    We are all aware of your political posting habits.
     
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    James Carville says that the winner of the Nevada primary is Vladimir Putin.



    Do the people who talk like this not realize how absurdly silly and deranged that they come across as? The Russians. Seriously, get some new material, James. Either that, or maybe it is time for you to hang up your cleats and retire.

    As an aside, it is about noon on the day after the Nevada primary and there are still less than 50% of the precincts reporting. If these people cannot even conduct a vote count for their own caucuses in a small population state like Nevada, why on Earth would anyone have any confidence in their capacity to run the US government?

    This really is not as hard as the Democrats seem to be trying to make it. It really isn't.
     
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    Not sure if that last sentence is sarcasm or not. I'll take it as so, because if it is not, it comes across as pretty blind.
     
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    I am enjoying the process of chronicling these events and activities. Please, bear with me. :D
     
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    The big news coming out of Nevada and going into South Carolina is actually that no clear alternative to Bernie Sanders has emerged. The more "moderate" part of the field is split and there is not a candidate that the various banners are ready to unify around.

    No clear Sanders alternative emerges

    It's still a jumble behind the clear Democratic front-runner, with Biden and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg jousting for second place as results continue to come in. In speeches from Las Vegas on Saturday, Biden and Buttigieg previewed new attacks on Sanders.

    But neither speech solved the Sanders opponents' biggest problem: It remains a large, and largely bunched together, field, with Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar also siphoning votes away from the moderate candidates and Bloomberg waiting to make his mark on Super Tuesday. Unless those opposed to Sanders coalesce around a clear alternative -- and quickly -- his march to the Democratic nomination could be impossible to stop.​

    Seriously, if not Bernie, then who? Let's go through the rundown.
    1. Joe Biden? - I don't think so. Most Democrat voters appear to realize he is a has-been, assuming for politeness that he ever was. Not only should he not be President of the United States, he probably should not be driving.
    2. Michael Bloomberg? - Maybe. He did very poorly in his first debate, but the people who are responding most emotionally about that tend to have the attention span of a A.D.D. afflicted ferret. So this too shall very likely pass. And his virtually unlimited bankroll is likely to cover a multitude of ills. Stay tuned....
    3. Pete Buttigieg? - He is a novelty candidate and his novelty element is not appreciated by a large segment of Democrat voters, although they would probably be reluctant to say so. This how they deal with "Political correctness" - By carefully avoiding the controversy. Say what you want, but he is not going to be the nominee for the Democrats this time.
    4. Elizabeth Warren? - Pocahontas? She has a vagina and was helped and promoted very aggressively by the Democrat left media in the fall. But she is shrill and scolding. I may get yelled at here for saying this, but she never had a chance. She could be out of the race right after Super Tuesday.
    5. Amy Klobuchar - If Democrat voters were driven by their heads and not sensationalism and emotions, she would be getting a much closer look right now. No, she is not a great candidate, but she makes more sense than everyone else discussed above. Sadly, if she cannot bust a move in South Carolina, or on Super Tuesday at the latest, then we may have to wait until next time for A-Klo.
    6. Steyer and Gabbard are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. It will be a bit surprising if they do not drop out after the South Carolina primary, but we will see.
    So, is that it then? It sure does look like it. Bloomberg still looks like the strongest candidate on that list, but he obviously has his problems as well.

    In any case, there does not appear to be a clear alternative candidate to Bernie Sanders. That is the big news here this morning. Or at least it should be.
     
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    538 has Klobuchar at 0% to win the election, Pete at 0.3% and Warren at 0.7%. A combined 1%

    538 also has those 3 at combined 3.1% chance to win a plurality of delegates.

    Warren, Pete, Amy, Steyer and Gabbard should drop out
     
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    Yeah, let's be honest. All of those guys are done. So maybe they want to hang on until next week, after the South Carolina primary this Saturday and in one or two cases, maybe until after Super Tuesday, in nine days. But that needs to be the end of it for those candidates, unless one of them completes a "Hail Mary" pass in these races and pulls off some sort of a miracle.

    Unless that happens, the race should be down to Sanders, Bloomberg and Biden in less than two weeks. At least the voters will have a clear sense of what their real choices are.
     
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    Bernie now leading #1 in the polling averages against Trump.

    So if you have ever said first priority is to beat Trump, Bernie's your guy.
     
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    Pete has more delegates than Biden. Whichever one outperforms the other in Super Tuesday should be THE moderate. I don't want it to be Biden, though.

    He screams (literally) grumpy old man.


    I think if the Dems could put forth candidates that weren't on either end of the age spectrum, it would drastically change their chances, too. Nobody wants a second term president in his mid 80's.
     
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    These could very plausibly be the choices right after Super Tuesday (March 3 - nine days).
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    Lol you're doing a nice job trolling.
     
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    So why did you not use this same logic when those polls said the same about Biden?
     
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    He's not trolling, those are the top 3. Pete doesn't have much of a chance.
     
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