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Texans trade for Raiders CB Gareon Conley

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by thesonofsam, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Extension might kick in during 2020. Why would Watson and Tunsil agree to wait?

    Compensatory picks happen when a good free agent leaves. Who is leaving?
     
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    Associated Press release:

    League sources state that Texans coach Bill O'Brien has worked out free agent corner back EJ Gaines.

    Coach O'Brien informed the league offices he intends to sign the free agent corner back but first wants to give the league office a 4th round pick.

    Coach O'Brien is quoted as saying "This is an excellent deal for us. To get a street free agent like EJ Gaines for only a 4th round is an excellent value."

    League office officials informed the Texans that they would not need to relinquish a draft pick for an unrestricted free agent. The New England Patriots have allegedly offered to sign Gaines and then immediate trade Gaines to the Texans for two future 4th rounders.
     
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    :D...that right there is funny, I don't care who you are
     
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  5. Hey Now!

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    They currently have 12 picks the next two drafts (+ compensatory picks); you're acting like they have none.

    Watson is signed through the '21 season; Tunsil thru the '20 season. Mercilus & Reader made ~$8MM combined this year. They're going to get big raises but, you know, not, like, $80MM so... I think they'll be OK, cap-wise, especially considering it's expected to go up.

    They've won 15 of their last 23 regular season games, which is both a positive and decidedly not average. I can't be responsible for you refusing to buy into any of it.
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    Both Watson and Tunsil are likely to get raises next year. If they wait on Tunsil, that means he hits the open market. Watson is eligible for an extension after this season, and it would be dumb to wait. They could delay the big money until after 2020, but not clear they will or that it's necessarily advantageous to do so.

    The talk is mahomes will get an extension after this year around $40m per year average (again 2020 could be lower) and Watson will get something similar since Deshaun is actually better.

    I don't think mercilus will be that expensive, but reader will be. They also need to sign two starting corners, starting te, starting RB.

    And they won't be able to fill many holes with the draft.
     
  7. Mr.Scarface

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    Again, this where u don’t understand NFL contracts. Teams do not rip up old contracts, the extend. Teams will exercise the 5th option on both contracts. Any extension will start after that. The players have no choice or say in that (its in the CBA). That why JJ Watts’ contract is so long.
     
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  8. Mr.Scarface

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    The pick(s) are for the previous year. The contract Honey Badger signed my entitle the Texans to 2, not just 1 3rd round pick. Jackson signing in Denver is canceled out by signing Roby. Covington will probably get the Texans to a 6 rounder.
     
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    Edit...Watson would be 2022.
     
  10. Hey Now!

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    Likely... because they have the space to do it. You said, "need" and they don't "need" to do anything with Watson for two years; Tunsil for one.

    No. He. Doesn't. They can franchise him for two years. Again, stop wallowing in worse-case scenarios to feed your preferred narrative. Also, talking about future drafts and free agents in the middle of a season.........

    Reader is making $2MM this year; his new deal won't be significantly more than $5-8MM/year, maybe.

    They have 11 picks in the next two drafts (forgot the Conley deal).[/QUOTE]
     
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  11. Mr. Clutch

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    Teams do rip up old contracts. There are multiple examples of this.

    Look at the extensions for Garoppolo or Goff. They weren't just added to the end of the rookie option years
     
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    Of course they have the space to do it. They just don't have the space and draft picks to build a contending roster around them
     
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  14. Mr.Scarface

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    Texans didn't do it with Watt, they probably won't do it with Watson/Tunsil. Why? The players will get Money at Signing, which usually more that $20 million for the large contracts.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    Watts cap hit in his 5th year with the new contract was $14 million, higher than the rookie option
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    They've built a contending team; they will have upwards of $90MM in space; they will have 6 (maybe more) draft picks. Please stop repeating this nonsense that they have crippled their future. It has no basis in reality. It might not be optimal; it might have longer-term ramifications. But the short-term will be OK.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    Long term ramifications and crippled future are the same thing.

    It's not a contending team. They just lost to the colts without Luck.
     
  18. Mr.Scarface

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    And you would be wrong again. Texans did not tear up his old contract. Again...why it goes to 2021. Remember, he was drafted in 2011. He has 2014 and 2015 under the rookie Contract, then the extension kicked in.

    https://overthecap.com/player/j-j-watt/1669/


    Contract Notes
    DE JJ Watt signed a six year, $100 million contract extension with the Houston Texans on September 2, 2014. Watt had two years remaining on his contract, meaning the new deal will run through the 2021 season. Details of the contract are currently based on a report by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. Upon signing the contract Watt received a $10 million signing bonus and guaranteed salaries in 2014 and 2015 to bring his total of fully guaranteed salary to $20.876 million. If he is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2015 League year he wil receive a $10 million roster bonus and will have his 2016 and 2017 base salaries become fully guaranteed in 2016. Watt converted the roster bonus to a signing bonus in 2015 to create $8 million in cap space.



    Current Contract
    :) indicates contract trigger occuring during that year)

    Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap
    Number
    Cap %
    Dead Money & Cap Savings

    2014 25 $907,385 $3,668,182 $907,385 $4,575,567 3.4%
    2015 26 $9,969,000 $4,000,000 $9,969,000 $13,969,000 9.7%
    2016 27 $10,500,000 $4,000,000 $10,500,000 $14,500,000 9.3%
    2017 28 $10,500,000 $3,561,250 $10,500,000 $14,061,250 8.4%
    2018 29 $11,000,000 $3,190,000 $0 $14,190,000 8.0%
    2019 30 $13,000,000 $1,628,750 $0 $14,628,750 7.8%
    $1,628,750
    $13,000,000
    2020 31 $15,500,000 $0 $0 $15,500,000 7.8%
    $0
    $15,500,000
    2021 32 $17,500,000 $0 $0 $17,500,000 --
    $0
    $17,500,000
    Total $88,876,385 $20,048,182 $31,876,385 $108,924,567
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    So the Chiefs aren't a contending team?...
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    So his cap hit increased before the extension year. For both 2014 an 15
     

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