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Ukraine scandal Megathread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    A slime ball that's the POTUS personal _itch...

    The guy is just as crooked as his boss..

    T_Man
     
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    Makes sense. Also remember A report that said Coats told Gordon to resign. I wonder he told her to resign so she can testify without having to invoke executive privilege. Hmm
     
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    Maybe other countries should start bombing our towns and cities then since "US does it as well"

    We all know why he doesn't care, because it helps him get elected, he doesn't care to win fair and square, he'll happily be ignorant of other countries interfering with our elections as long as he benefits from it.
     
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    You want to know who actually admitted to a quid pro quo with Ukraine? Joe Biden. He admitted on camera to stopping a billion until they fired the prosecutor that was investigating his son's activity with a gas company there.

     
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    The Ukranian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was under investigation by the IMF and several other Western allies for corruption. He was in fact criticized for doing a superficial investigation of Burisma, the oil company Biden's son was a board member of and in fact FROZE the investigation into Burisma. A year later, the Obama administration, the IMF and several other European leaders advocated to press the Ukrainian government to force Shokin to resign. Biden was performing an action at the behest of the Obama administration, the IMF and many Western allied leaders to convince Ukraine of this which the administration was successful in. First, Biden was going against his own son's interest by advocating to remove a corrupt prosecutor who shut down the investigation of Burisma a entire year earlier and second, the IMF, and Western foreign powers couldn't give two ***** about Biden's son thus this was a policy advocated by the US and NATO nations.

    Is Biden's son a beneficiary of rampant nepotism? Yes. Biden has little qualifications being a board member of an oil company. Is Nepotism illegal? Unfortunately no or else Ivanka "Give me those Chinese Trademakes because I'm the president's daughter" Trump and Jared "Middle East Peace Negotiator" Kushner would be indicted for the same charges.
     
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    LOL nice spin job but you're completely full of excuses for your boy Obama and Biden. The dude straight up admits to it and you're dancing around with excuses. Nice try. It's well known that Viktor Shokin was fired while leading a corruption probe into Burisma Holdings where Biden’s son was chillin, collecting 50k a month.

    Are you a house husband or something? Just a side question, because you're so soft on everything and you have so much time to post. I assume this, or you get paid to post spin by the DNC. If not, you should consider sending them an invoice.

    Also, you're BS is not appreciated. Anyone who looks into it with just a few Google searches can see you are full of it.
     
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    Yes, he brags about convincing Ukraine to force the prosecutor to resign because that was the position of the United States, IMF and NATO. VIctor Shokin literally froze the investigation into Burisma 1 year before Obama ordered Biden to go to Ukraine and convince Ukraine to remove him.

    Also, another important point. Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma, was being investigated for tax fraud for events occurred in 2012. Biden jr joined the board of Burisma in 2014. Victor Shokin inherited the Mykola Zlochevsky tax fraud case in 2015. He didn't do anything with it and froze the investigation in the same year. Biden by the will of the United States, the EU, NATO and the IMF convinced Ukraine to force Shokin to resign in 2016.

    That is why Biden openly brags about it because of course you would openly brag about successfully executing US interests.
     
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    The dude didn't stop the investigation.. freezing an investigation is far from actually sweeping it under the carpet and stopping it. I seriously doubt you actually have details other than whatever spin article you got that from. The dude was a thorn in Biden's side and you can tell it was personal because it's his son who is also somehow in Ukraine, at the very gas company the guy was investigating, and somehow also Joe Biden is in Ukraine. Those are some mighty low odds and those stars don't just line up for now reason. Somehow that's not clear to you. Seriously, don't forget to send your invoice to the DNC. Also I love how you are actually going to argue that he was just serving their will. He executed this action. Just because someone tells you to murder someone, and you do it, doesn't clear you from the crime. How do you know that's even true when Joe is the one doing it. I doubt you do. Maybe Biden put those ideas into their heads.
     
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim

    This would be corroborated by the IMF and EU nations also hence why they wanted to remove Shokin. The IMF and the EU couldn't give two ***** about frat bro Hunter.

    Also again, Zlochevsky himself was the one being investigated for tax fraud and that investigation sarted in 2012. Hunter joined the board of Burisma in 2014. That is literally all you can say about Hunter Biden. There is literally no nuance you even have what the frat bro did and why in your shitty conspiracy the god damn IMF and EU would give two shiats saving said frat bro's ass.
     
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    You're blind to this. Good for you. Keep your horse blinders on. And trust that the IMF had honest motivations in this too and it was all the IMF and EU. So should the VP of the USA be their puppet and act in their interest? No, he was following Obama's order if anything, of course he has enough power to have pushed for this on his own. But that's all a side show from the fact that the Bidens were all up in Ukrainian corruption scandals and it's suspicious as hell with the circumstances. It is worth an investigation to know what happened in detail with this executive level (very possible) corruption and it is no surprise that Trump would be curious about it since he is the current sitting President. Yes he could also be motivated by reelection and he could also be dangling money for such a favor, but the evidence is scant and third hand, riddled with hearsay and inaccuracies, and the transcript was a dud. Investigate though all you want.

    Maybe the IMF wanted the guy out because they didn't want him interfering with their investments. Maybe they were corrupt and wanted the person who would charge them out of the game (or for a host of other reasons like not dancing to their tune just right). Just food for thought, but we all know you lack a finer understanding of the game of poliics. It's all whatever you see in CNN of Vox. Honestly I don't know everything about the IMF and its Ukraine dealings completely but I do know about the IMF some. They are a whole different issue though. And the VP of the United States certainly is not there to carry out their will. Nor the EU. I don't know why that is even being brought up to this unless you've forgotten what country you're from and who your people represent.
     
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    Word on the street is that Hunter Biden has an email account on Hillary’s private server. Russia, if you are listening...
     
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    You are literally swinging at air now. Hunter is a beneficiary of nepotism. He's a frat bro who I don't care for. But here, he is being accused of corruption because the owner of Burisma was being investigated for tax fraud 2 years before Hunter became a board member of the company. The IMF wanted to prosecute Zlochevsky. Hence why they wanted Shokin out because he turned the investigation into Zlochevsky dormant.

    That is all the information we have. Anything else outside that is conjecture. Let's assume there is a "there there" with Biden and his son. That would be the job of career prosecutors and intelligence officials to determine whether an investigation is worthy. Presidents don't direct law enforcement to investigate specific Individuals especially political rivials because that is what Banana Republics do. The DOJ and FBI have big boys and girls. Their non political career employees determine whom to investigate and whom they should request warrants for. Presidents give general guindlines to the FBI and DOJ in policy. I hope you can understand why. It's because we don't want a Banana Republic form of government where our president uses tax payer dollars to investigate political rivals for their own political ambitions of winning reelection.
     
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    Since you are unable to defend Trump, you simply try and attack someone else who isn't the sitting leader of the free world.
     
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    @fchowd0311 is schooling you here. Sadly, it is off-topic. You weren't able to defend Trump(because Trump admitted that he did it.) and thus tried to use debunked accusations against someone else.

    Let's try and stick to the facts here. Do you believe Trump was lying when claimed he did the illegal actions?
     
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    @dachuda86 are you saying that you believe it is appropriate for a sitting president to ask a foreign leader to investigate your political rivals in an upcoming election while withholding military aid that is key to that country being invaded by another country??



    I see a wall of text about Biden... great ... glad you have an opinion about Biden and will now take a harder look at Elizabeth Warren and her anti corruption plan.

    But what do you believe about the current sitting president?
     
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    LOL... all of a sudden, william barr isn't so happy anymore...

     
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    I saw this and I call BS. He has known about Giuliani and the Ukrainian shakedown for months. He also was the primary decision maker in closing the FBI probe the IG kicked off right after it started.

    Shame on the AP for publishing this piece that a Barr friend put out there to try and take some culpability off of Barr.

    If Barr wanted to regain whatever credibility he had left, he’d allow the probe to be reopened with the FBI given full investigative abilities or he’d appoint another special counsel to take the matter outside of the white houses political influence.
     
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