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Charles Manson Goes to Hell

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Xerobull, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I'm not necessarily an atheist, so I can't really speak for them. Reza Aslan has an amazing take on God, and I don't think I can do it justice by even trying to discuss it. Definitely worth listening to.

    All I know is that I don't know God exists. All I know are the things I can experience by my five senses. That's pretty much it. Hence why I classify myself as an agnostic.
     
  2. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    That in itself is flawed. The Germans felt the same way about the Jews, that they were non human. They called them bugs, and they felt justified in their actions doing so. It's funny that your mind goes right to where they were, albeit in a different context. I hope you find peace with your anger.
     
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    I was being serious. What he's accused of is telling others to commit crimes, but I'm unaware of any actual evidence to prove that. Do you know of any?
     
  5. what

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    atheists (plural noun)
    1. a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods
    My point is that you can't look at the totality of earth and disbelieve that somebody was behind it. You just can't. You can maybe say that there is no proof that this person exists. Sure. Just like you can't prove string theory. But you can't look at your own conscious and then say somebody didn't know what he was doing when I was created.
     
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    You have a point to a certain extent. People assume that he physically murdered people. There is some evidence he shot and tried to kill a drug dealer in the days leading up to helter skelter and some involved claim “Charlie” came and wrote on the walls and observed the crime scene of at least one murder.

    Still, he can be guilty of murder by instructing an underling to do it. Consider a mob boss like Joseph Messino. He instructed/ordered the death of a number of people. He was charged with first degree murder and capitol punishment of death.

    Also consider RICO laws in the USA the last 30 years where you can just oversee illegal activities and be convicted for acts of the subordinates.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    For sure, I get that, I was just saying that I wasn't aware of anyone rolling over on him and testifying that he had done any of that. Like most people, I assume he's guilty of what they say he's guilty of, I was just curious if there was solid proof of it or if it was just solely a "c'mon we know he's guilty" sort of situation.

    Again though, I haven't looked into it that thoroughly to know one way or the other which is why I was sort of more asking others than anything.
     
  9. CometsWin

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    You were wrong. Shut up already.
     
  10. London'sBurning

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    I'm an atheist. My logic is based on where the evidence leads. Planet formation around stars is pretty common. Planets with similarity to Earth is pretty common. I think we'll find someday that life is pretty common even outside our own planet. Truth is, there is a lot of randomness.

    Logistically, when the universe was created, it was at too hot of a temperature for chemistry to sustain itself for hundreds of millions of years and only after almost 14 billion years, has the universe cooled down and reached a state of entropy that is suitable for conditions like life to form. Well after the universe reaches its death, the temperature of it will be so cold for the majority of its existence, that the warm, but not too warm timeline where life is sustainable will be but a blip on the radar in the universe's timeline. Given the small frame of reference where life can exist, it's safe to say that the universe was not made solely for life like ourselves to exist on it, especially for such a short amount of time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

    Scroll down and start from where it says 110 trillion years into the future. On a human timescale that's a pretty big number, but in terms of time related to the universe it pales. Once you get 2×10^36 into the future, the elementary particles our very chemistry is dependent on will decay. But that's not even the end of the universe. It's....

    10^10^10^56 is a 1 followed by 5,600 zeroes, or

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    Contrasted with 110,000,000,000,000 years where fuel from all stars will have decayed. Do you see the number of zeroes you can compare where life isn't possible contrasted where life maybe possibly is? Nevermind that 99.99% of all life has gone extinct. If there is a creator, how much of a **** does it really give about life?
     
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    Man, this is too bad for Charlie. I heard he was short-listed for a cabinet position. :(
     
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    The most likely scenario if there was no creator would be absolute nothingness. You can make all of the graphs you like about how common or uncommon you think earth is. The reality is that things don't form on their own. That's like you showing me a computer monitor and trying to convince me that it was formed by itself. Be real, man. Lg made my monitor.
     
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    Yes, you can. The simple fact is that in an infinite Universe, Earth is truly not all that special, no matter how bad you want it to be, being the biased Human that you are.

    Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.


    It is VERY CLEAR that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be an Atheist.
     
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    The simple fact is this: if all the computer manufactures decided to stop making computers, 20 million years from now the last computer ever made would be 11/21/2017. Computers would not form on their own.
    A basic fundamental truth is that you cannot separate creation from a creator as two separate entities, existing on their own: one requires the other. Matter came from somewhere. Matter did not just exist without something that created it.
    If there were no creator, matter itself would not exist.
    Do you get that?
    You might try to explain to me that the universe was sneezed into existence, but who is doing the sneezing?
     
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    And another thing: you cannot lack belief in a creator (credibly) without proving that something can come from nothing. Most people that believe in God understand this one basic truth that you can't get something from absolutely nothing.
    Once science proves that then they can claim that there is no creator, but until then.
     
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    I meant to post it where it starts at the beginning, but actually where it starts is pretty relevant to the off-topic subject in here.
     
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    You are wrong. Shut up already.
     
  20. ipaman

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    Jews did were not criminals you moron. You know who didn't deserve trials and ethics since they were inhuman? The Nazis. Those trials were also a waste of money. Should have gassed all the leadership and saved everybody's time and money. Speaking of saving time and money, last meals is also a giant waste and slap in the face to victims and their families who didn't get a last anything. I would replace last meal with last horror. Make them die in absolute pain and fear and their last memory. Again, because most of you have a mental disease, I'm only talking about doing this to the 100% proof, 100% confessed, horrible sub-human live forms.
     

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