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Altuve MVP Watch Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Hustle Town, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yeah, but the media advances the narrative.
     
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  2. Hey Now!

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    Eh.... with managers & coaches? I don't think so; not at all. Remember the year Palmiero won when he was primarily, almost exclusively a DH? Managers & coaches are just apathetic & lazy.
     
  3. Rocketman95

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    Good point!
     
  4. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Maybe instruct him to reduce his production, so his value falls ;)
     
  5. juicystream

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    Clemens has 2 questionable Cy Youngs, with the other coming in Houston, though he probably should have won in 2005 & 1990, so they kind of balanced out.

    Those 4 guys finished with somewhat similar slash lines, but defensive position and in Ricky's case, base-running are why Mattingly probably should have been 4th. That must have been one crazy offensive year for the Yankees. Mattingly, Winfield, and Ricky all scored over 100 runs with Mattingly & Winfield driving in over 100.
     
  6. kubli9

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    The true measure would be a count of the votes for all of these awards. They don't always have the best player but that doesn't mean inferior players from NY don't get undue attention. As much as I hate to bring his name into this thread, Carmelo undeservedly being selected by the commissioner for the All-Star game last year is a good example. I have nothing against Judge, but he will get more votes for MVP simply because he is a NY Yankee.
     
  7. Hey Now!

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    I was responding specifically to this assertion:
    Onus is on you to provide examples; not move the goal posts. There hasn't been an MVP from a New York team - in any of the three major sports - since 2007. Before that, 2005. (Both Alex Rodriguez.) Before that? 1986: Lawrence Taylor. Mattingly in '85 and then Willis Reed in 1970. No Met or Jet has ever won an MVP.

    Your statement is demonstrably false.

    The commissioner is not a member of the media.

    Judge won't get ANY votes simply because he's a Yankee. The Yankees' high profile gives his name and highlights greater prominence - but the vast majority of voters are not swayed by media-driven campaigns because they follow the game and not the coverage of the game.

    Judge is going to get a lot of votes because he has an historically great season.
     
  8. justtxyank

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    Others have already disputed this, but I'll add more to it.

    1999: Tino Martinez (Yankees first basemen) was considered a shoe-in for the AL Gold Glove award. Went instead to Rafael Palmeiro who only played 28 games at first (DH)
    1999: Derek Jeter finished fifth in the league in OPS and had a higher WAR than any position player to get MVP votes. Still lost the award to Ivan Rodriguez
    2003: Hideki Matsui was clearly best rookie in baseball. However, he did not win ROY because voters said he wasn't a rookie based on prior professional experience. He finished second. Ichiro of course won ROY two years earlier and Sasaki the year before that. )
    2006: Derek Jeter had a ton of hype for an AL MVP award. The award instead went to Minnesota Twins Justin Morneau, a weak choice simply because of RBI numbers and an anti-Jeter sentiment. Jeter was better in OPS AND in the advanced stats and was the leader of the Yankee team.

    There are more. Now, in any year you could make an argument for or against any of these Yankees to win the award. The point isn't that they were robbed, the point is that they never got advantage in the awards for being Yankees. The same has held true in the hall of fame recognition. Guys like Posada and Bernie Williams, who stack up with very compelling hall of fame cases for their position, get zero credit for the hall while Mike Mussina has a tremendous case that is sputtering. Again, they aren't getting robbed, they are facing the same uphill battle that all non-absolute locks face. The point is they don't get EXTRA CREDIT for being in NY.

    That myth is so ridiculous and needs to die.
     
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  9. kubli9

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    There's no way to prove either of us are right, I will continue to believe there is a NY bias. You have apparently been entranced by it, seems like you'd like to give Judge a tuggie. :D
     
  10. Houstunna

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    I'd rather he win both MVPs.
     
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    But you were just proven wrong, with facts.
     
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    I love this dude
     
  16. Hustle Town

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    Change the words of the national anthem to "Jose, can you see?"
     
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    FIFY.
     
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  18. kubli9

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    A few anecdotes aren't fact.
     
  19. NK08

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    Hmm, one MVP candidate went 3 HRs in 4 ABs. The other one went 4 Ks in 4 ABs.
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    He is getting a massive contract whether he wins mvp or not.
     

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