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Altuve MVP Watch Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Hustle Town, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Major

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    If you really believe this, you can win a fortune betting on Judge at ridiculous odds.
     
  2. NK08

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    Current odds for Judge are at 3-2, so I wouldn't call that ridiculous. Here's to a 4 K game from Judge in the wildcard to cement Altuve's MVP award.
     
  3. bobrek

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    Except the voting is already completed.
     
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    Altuve has this wrapped up. The Judge slump was not only abysmal, it was record setting abysmal. Nobody in their right mind should give the award to Judge with that hole ridden jacket on his rack. He's the clear second choice. Expect the majority of first place votes to go to Altuve at 85%.
     
  5. Major

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    What I was seeing this afternoon at Sportsbook.ag was 5-1 for Judge, 1-15 for Altuve.
     
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    Judge had a historically great season and even with his ridiculous slump. Altuve barely edged him out in the advanced stats despite that horrible slump. However, he did edge him out and I would vote for altuve. It wouldn’t be a robbery though if judge got it.
     
  7. Hey Now!

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    I really dislike that Judge's potential win is a product of some shadow-y organization; if he wins it, it'll be because he's had a monster year. Period.

    But, beyond that - let me ask a question: who cares? I mean, I understand it on a surface level - we're fans, and all. But it feels like such wasted energy to me. Not only do I not need a postseason award to validate Altuve's season but I'd much rather focus my energy on the postseason.
     
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    I agree with you! As Houston fans, we've got a bit of a self-flagellation streak going on.
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    Cause MVP awards help HoF cases down the road. We don't want you to have to put in extra work in 15 years. :)
     
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    Biggio never won an MVP........

    I mean, I HOPE he wins it - but I don't see the point in denigrating Judge's terrific season or wasting too much energy on it. As I've said, I'd MUCH rather he win World Series MVP.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Altuve losing to Judge, understandable. Altuve (and Judge) losing to anyone else, ridiculous.
     
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    And had he not gotten 3k hits, you would've had to start a campaign for him. Or he may have been first ballot had he won one.
     
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    MVP Awards also could make him more expensive to re-sign in a couple of years, and thus more likely to be let go or prevent us from adding someone else. :)
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    Biggio is so fascinating to me because I've always viewed him as a better candidate if you essentially lop off his final... 3-5 years.
     
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    I don't think anyone is saying it's from shadow organization, it's the NY media which has a lot of pull in the sports world. If you play in NY, you are more likely to win media voted awards despite inferior stats. Period.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    This is demonstrably false. Name one. Name the inferior New York player that won a postseason award based primarily on his playing in New York. This is such a tired, nonsensical waste of breath - there's no evidence of it.

    The last Yankee to win an MVP was ARod ten years ago - and all he did was lead MLB is runs scored, RBIs, home runs, slugging. OPS and OPS+.
     
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    Is Gold Glove considered a postseason award? If so, I offer Derek Jeter as exhibit number 1. :)
     
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    The New York Knicks have had one MVP in their entire history and that was more than 40 years ago.

    Before ARod, you have to go back to Mattingly in 1985, who didn't really deserve it, but it wasn't like he was terrible candidate and he didn't win in 86 despite similar numbers and far less competition.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    Yankee Clemens won a Cy Young in '01 that is.... sorta iffy - but it was more a product of wins/record still being relevant (he was 20-3) than any New York bias.

    Mattingly, like Clemens, more a product of a simpler time - led baseball in RBIs, hit .324 & 35 HRs - which really were BIG numbers back then. BUT..... the irony is that, while Mattingly wasn't a bad choice, the BEST choice was.... another Yankee (Henderson, who posted an astounding 9.9 WAR). Brett and Boggs also probably better candidates than Mattingly but, again, RBIs were a BIG deal in 1985.
     
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    It is - but the media doesn't vote on it. The managers & coaches do.
     
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